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He was probably guessing. I don't want another pissing match. I ran a scanner in the truck for many years and listened to their conversations between the aircraft and chase cars. They would time a vehicle twice and average the speed. I also challenged a ticket in Iowa and both officers(chase and aircraft) testified how it was done. I lost.
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Hangman, You are probably right.
I don't know if this proves anything, but I found an interesting site. Watch the whole thing before you comment.
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405 The Movie - American Airlines DC-10 lands on the Highway


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I'll watch it later. Right now I gotta roll. Have to be in Cincinnati in the morning. Leaving Mn. now. I never said that planes couldn't land on highways. They do in emergencies quite often. What I dispute is the statement that the interstate system was designed for the military to use as landing strips. If you read the article on Snopes they cite a number of reasons why this is a myth and also a couple of government officials are quoted. Thanks for the link. I'll watch it later.
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I'll watch it later. Right now I gotta roll. Have to be in Cincinnati in the morning. Leaving Mn. now. I never said that planes couldn't land on highways. They do in emergencies quite often. What I dispute is the statement that the interstate system was designed for the military to use as landing strips. If you read the article on Snopes they cite a number of reasons why this is a myth and also a couple of government officials are quoted. Thanks for the link. I'll watch it later.
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From the outset of construction of the Interstate System, the DOD has monitored its progress closely, ensuring direct military input to all phases of construction. The National Defense Highway System was responsible for building many of the first freeways. Its purpose was supposedly to allow for mass evacuation of cities in the event of a nuclear attack. (wouldnt wanna see a plane land during that mass exodus.) lol

i searched every thing i could on the E.I.S. and found nuthing about landing aircraft on it.

check out this site:snopes.com: Interstate Highways as Airstrips

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/200...tate-system/:A widespread urban legend states that one out of every five miles of the Interstate Highway System must be built straight and flat so as to be usable by aircraft during times of war; this is not true.

Geography Home Page - Geography at About.com one mile out of every five on Interstate highways straight for emergency airplane landing strips?
Absolutely not! According to Richard F. Weingroff, who works in the Federal Highway Administration's Office of Infrastructure, says "No law, regulation, policy, or sliver of red tape requires that one out of five miles of the Interstate Highway System must be straight."

He says that it's a complete hoax and urban legend that the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System requires that one mile in every five must be straight to be usable as airstrips in times of war or other emergencies. Besides, there are more overpasses and interchanges than there are miles in the system so even if there were straight miles, planes attempting to land would quickly encounter a overpass on their runway.

however, according to this site,http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb13.html, the airforce did ask the dept of trans to consider it and actually sent teams to germany to study the autobahn, which WAS engineered to be used as an emergency, military landing strip.


so there ya go....thas what i found
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I rest my case.
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If you read a history of the Eisenhower Interstate system, it says that one in 5 miles, as per the story, is incorrect. It says that 1 in 5 is too many. It says that there are many straight stretches of interstates that can be used for landing aircraft, and that it was done in WW2 in Germany.

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If you read a history of the Eisenhower Interstate system, it says that one in 5 miles, as per the story, is incorrect. It says that 1 in 5 is too many. It says that there are many straight stretches of interstates that can be used for landing aircraft, and that it was done in WW2 in Germany.

President Dwight Eisenhower and America’s Interstate Highway System HistoryNet - From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher
Let's just quote the entire paragraph, especially the part in red.. My guess is that means it was not in the "design"


One widely held dual-use-related belief is that one out of every five miles of the NHDS is mandated to be straight and level, capable of functioning as an emergency airstrip. Aside from the fact that, according to Weingroff, ‘no law, regulation, policy, or sliver of red tape requires that one out of every five miles of the interstate highway system be straight,’ it is virtually impossible from an engineering standpoint. The NHDS is composed of nearly 50,000 miles of road, meaning that almost 10,000 miles would need to be straight and level to conform to the supposed one-in-five-mile rule, a figure that is wildly unrealistic. In addition, from an aerial standpoint, an airstrip every five miles is superfluous, given the speed at which modern aircraft travel. Although there are long and level stretches of highway that could function as an emergency landing strip in a pinch, they are nowhere near as evenly parceled out as the one-in-five-mile rule would suggest. (The use of highway infrastructure for an airstrip is not unheard of, however: Nazi Germany did use limited stretches of the autobahn for such purposes during World War II.)

I also want to point out one more thing here. I mentioned the C-130 earlier.. This aircraft has a wingspan of 132 feet. That is about half the length of a football field. It is 38 feet tall, Much larger than the aircraft in use at the time of the design.

As you all drive around, try to find a spot to fit one of these on most interstates. And remember the landing strip should be at least 50-100 feet wider than the wingspan to attempt a safe landing. At best, most two lane stretches of highway are 40 feet in width for each side with a 10 to 40 foot median. and most of them are lined with trees or have overhead signs, not to mention the trees in the median, or a jersey wall. While there are many areas where this might be done,(Kansas, Nebraska, Arizona, west Texas, and eastern California maybe)most states do not have near the open and level space for this purpose.

If you had the width, Where would the gear be on the ground? In most areas it would have to be in the median.. That soft, grassy, rough area that will not even support the weight of some cars or trucks without getting rutted. Let alone the weight of an aircraft weighing between 100,000 to 800,000 pounds. It would tear the gear off on touchdown.

Also remember that the larger cargo aircraft such as the C-141 Starlifter and the C-5 Galaxy would require not only a much wider(as much as 100 feet more) but longer (approximately 2 mile runway) area to land and take off. The 130 is the only Cargo/troop movement aircraft that could operate in areas of a mile or less.

On another note, while researching this, I discovered the basis for the design of the interstate system. A quote from wikipedia says this. "It is said he drew six lines (three vertical and three horizontal) on a piece of paper and told his people to base their freeway system on it." LOL but don't take my word for it.. Go here and see for yourself... Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Lots of people today lie. Why should the dot be the exception. Just cause he's dot? He might not be any better or smarter than you or I. He might of lied to get his job. Who knows. Point is I'd druther take the word of a bum or street person as fact than a person held in high position this day and age.
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